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Re-goal and Reframe for Resilience:  Gloria Park PhD

Re-goal and Reframe for Resilience: Gloria Park PhD

July 14, 2020

As an applied positive psychology and sport and performance psychology practitioner, Gloria Park, PhD is uniquely qualified to speak about how we continue to learn, grow, evolve, and even thrive in the face of challenge. And we are certainly being challenged in 2020! Gloria shares transformative skills and strategies during the interview.  For more exploration, many links to resources are provided in the show notes.

It’s easy to get overwhelmed these days while we’re in the middle of the Covid-19 crisis and also trying to thoughtfully enter and positively impact the domain of racial injustice.   

In April I attended a webinar co-lead by Gloria.  It was very timely given the newness and shock concerning Covid-19. When I first heard the term, ‘re-goaling’, I thought, YES!, this is how I would describe the thoughtful and intentional shift I see some people making.  It’s different from simply reacting. Re-goaling means that I consciously disengage from the old goal and thoughtfully create a new goal. It also means that I feel and acknowledge the continuum of emotions and engage in hope.   In this interview, we explore ways to our own resilience.

A few quotes that stand out for me:

11:31 - "…everyone is dealing with this very deep sense of grief about things that matter deeply to them and now look no longer like they used to…the second place where people are really struggling is the uncertainty." 

13:43 - "…what gives me hope is that people are finding things to be hopeful about despite all of the uncertainty and despite all of the grief…"

26:36 – "But if you think about the average person and the goals we set for ourselves, we set those goals because they’re a reflection of things that are really valuable to us and they’re often tied, especially in the performance domain, deeply to our sense of self-worth and our identities, and you wouldn’t have set those goals if they didn’t mean a lot to you."

C.R. Snyder’s Hope Theory:  "People feel hope whey they have three things:  they have a goal that they’re focused on; they have beliefs that they have the capacity within them to strive towards that goal; and that there are avenues available for them to be able to pursue those goals."

29:38 – "A lot of the foundation of resiliency training, as well as a lot of the foundation for performance psychology, is about understanding the connections between those three things:  your thoughts, your emotions, and your behaviors."

43:51 – "But the accomplishments will always be there.  The world will be there to await you to show up and be able to strive towards those things again.  I think, right now, we really need to be paying attention to our wellbeing and figure out how we can support our families and support our employees in an organizational context to really help them navigate this crisis successfully."

We’ve all heard of SMART goals (Specific, Measurable, Attainable, Realistic, Time-driven); Gloria is also an advocate for DUMB goals! (42:05)

Find resources on resilience at Eudaimonic by Design, especially Choosing Optimism:  The Art of the Reframe.  Also, find Embodied Resilience and Hope.

Register for this FREE course on resilience: Resilience Skills in a Time of Uncertainty offered by the University of Pennsylvania.  Gloria is one of the instructors and her mentor, Karen Reivich is the primary instructor.   

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3 Vital Questions for Transformative Results:  David Emerald

3 Vital Questions for Transformative Results: David Emerald

May 11, 2020

Ask these 3 Powerful Questions

... when facing change, feeling stuck or dealing with workplace drama.  They'll help you level up the results you get.

  1. Where are you placing your focus?
  2. How are you relating?
  3. What actions are you taking?

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David has followed up his wildly popular and super sticky book, TED: The Empowerment Dynamic with 3 Vital Questions: Transforming Workplace Drama.  When we answer these questions and upshift our perspective, we become more resilient and more likely to create the results we desire. 

This just in:  David has won the Independent Press Award's Distinguished Favorites of 2020 for 3 Vital Questions!

Energy Follows Attention

We're built for survival.  Our default mode is to scan for danger and then react.  If we want to create a wonderful life and build great places to work, then we have to move past problem-solving.  We have to build habits that support designing futures rather than reacting to problems.  David Emerald's 3 Vital Questions takes our focus from a problem to an outcome orientation.

Highlights from the Interview

These excerpts have been edited for context.

[07:10]  ...The first vital question is, Where are you putting your focus? The subtext to that is, are you focusing on problems, or are you focusing on outcomes? What informs that question is an organizing framework that I call FISBE. FISBE is an acronym that stands for Focus, Inner State and BEhavior. The idea is that what we focus on engages some emotional response. That inner state that then drives our behavior. 

[17:16] ...Vital Question Two is, How are you relating? How are you relating to others? How are you relating to your experience? And how are you relating to yourself? Are you relating in ways that produce, or perpetuate drama? Or are you relating in ways that empower others and yourself to be more resourceful, resilient and innovative?

If our orientation is problem-focused, fear-based and reactive in nature, that creates the environment and the conditions for the Dreaded Drama Triangle, or DDT, which I'll explain in more detail in just a moment. I also want to say that if we can consciously choose to operate as much as possible out of that Outcome Orientation, where we're focused on what we care about, that our inner state is more passion-based and we're taking creative action, that creates the conditions for a different set of relationship roles and dynamics that we call TED or The Empowerment Dynamic.

[31:29]: What actions are you taking? Are you merely reacting to the problems of the moment, or are you taking creative and generative action, including the solving of problems in service to outcomes? Dynamic tension informs the Third Vital Question.

[32:42]: The three basic steps of dynamic tension are first and foremost,  focus on the outcome and to be as clear as we can on the outcome, that the outcome can sometimes be clear and concrete, other times it may be more vague and directional.

Then the second step is to step back and tell the truth about, what's my current reality in relation to the outcome? That engages a tension between what we want and what we're currently experiencing.

The third piece of dynamic tension is to then determine and take baby steps that move from our current reality toward our envisioned outcome. Baby steps to me are things that as an individual, or team, we can choose to do that tend to be short-term and in organizational terms. LeeAnn, it could be as simple as, ‘I need to have a conversation’, or ‘we need to go gather this information’. It's just whenever the next little step is, that’s going to help us move toward and/or get clearer about the outcome.

More Links from this Episode

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3 Vital Questions website

The Power of TED: The Empowerment Dynamic

3 Vital Questions:Transforming Workplace Drama

David Emerald

Donna Zajonc

Stephen Karpman's Drama Triangle

Bob Anderson

The Leadership Circle Profile

Robert Fritz:  Structural Tension


After listening to the interview and reading the notes, I wonder what your takeaway is?

Thanks for tuning in!



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Bob Anderson: Boot Up Your Inner Game

Bob Anderson: Boot Up Your Inner Game

April 7, 2020

Download Practices to Boot Up Your Inner Game  

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"A Creative style of leadership is driven by passion, purpose and vision and is about bringing into being what I care about and becoming who I most desire to be as a leader.  Reactive leadership is about responding to problems, fears and threats.

You can't create the kind of agile, adaptive innovative and engaged workplaces that we are trying to construct in order to thrive in a VUCA world.  You literally can't create those cultures and systems and structures from a Reactive leadership mindset."

- Bob Anderson, summarized quote

Bob Anderson is the creator of the Leadership Circle Profile, a groundbreaking 360 leadership assessment. We recorded this call on February 21st, 2020. The date is significant because the coronavirus had not yet reached pandemic status and there were no detected cases of community spread in the US. We don’t speak at all of the crisis in our interview and listening today it seems a bit tone-deaf. As you listen, I invite you to place the conversation in the context of the incredibly volatile, uncertain, complex and ambiguous [VUCA] environment we’re living in.

Throughout the conversation, Bob talks about practices he personally engages in to deepen his own development. I’ve taken the liberty to document my version of those and I’ve provided a link to them in the episode notes and on my website at www.rise-leaders.com/podcast

We spend most of our time in this interview on the Creative and Reactive dimensions of the model and on the latest findings gathered from a database of write-in comments provided when leaders rate other leaders. Bob and Bill Adams’ latest book, Scaling Leadership, is based on this provocative data. 

Bob reviews the Top 10 Most-Endorsed Strengths for High Creative Leaders from this research (hint: people, people, people).

He shares his own examples of moving from a Reactive to Creative style of leadership and the deep reflection and stillness that is required to speak with authenticity and in a way that uses conflict generatively.


Full Circle Group

Bob Kegan

Socialized and Self-Authoring mindsets


Mastering Leadership


Conscious Capitalism: An Idea Whose Time Has Come with Alexander McCobin

Conscious Capitalism: An Idea Whose Time Has Come with Alexander McCobin

March 3, 2020

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Inching Towards Conscious Capitalism as Business as Usual

Conscious capitalism is a term, a movement and the name of the non-profit organization, Conscious Capitalism, Inc. (CCI), whose role is to be the foundation of the movement. CCI brings business leaders together to share best practices for implementing the ideals of conscious capitalism.

It’s hard to pinpoint exactly when and where the term originated, but aspects of conscious capitalism have been around for decades. As we discuss in the interview, Conscious Capitalism provides an organizing principle for many practices that put humans at the center of the business ecosystem.

Might we be so bold as to hope that the terms, conscious and social capitalism become redundant and that Alexandar McCobin gladly invests his passion in another worthy endeavor?  I believe it's a worthwhile place to invest one's energy. 

Tune in to learn more about the opportunities and challenges of the movement and perhaps even your personal role in supporting this sea change.

The Power of Awe, Art and Observation:  Bonnie Pitman

The Power of Awe, Art and Observation: Bonnie Pitman

February 11, 2020

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Awe and wonder are getting a lot of attention these days because of what happens in our brain when we experience these powerful emotional states. 

Inspiration and generosity spike and we feel more connected to the world around us.  And as a result, stress and rumination decrease.  Overall wellbeing is amplified.  The great news is that we can experience awe and wonder as part of our daily life - we just have to become more aware of what is already in our midst. 

Bonnie Pitman, with her long and distinguished history in the world of art, developed two foundational practices that support the onboarding of these states in response to a life-changing illness that she continues to navigate.  She teaches us the Do Something New and Power of Observation practices during our conversation.  


Bonnie Pitman

Bonnie Pitman Instagram

Do Something New Practice

The Power of Observation Framework

Speechless:  Different by Design


The Rhythm of a Great Place to Work

The Rhythm of a Great Place to Work

November 12, 2019

We Inspire Dreams and Transform Lives 

- PCI’s Purpose  


Drew Clancy, President of Publishing Concepts (PCI), is a self-proclaimed ‘cultural enthusiast’.  His commitment to the core elements of culture has resulted in year-over-year growth and consistent recognition as a Best Place to Work.  As a third-generation leader he has brought this near 100-year-old family business solidly into the 21st Century through innovation and servant leadership. 

The big ideas:

  • Culture is a strategy for a high performing business
  • How rigor, rhythm and culture are integral to one another
  • Courage as a key element

Explore the show notes and transcript for important lessons and resources from Drew!


Doing Good + Doing Well:  Lauren Clarke and Turn Compost

Doing Good + Doing Well: Lauren Clarke and Turn Compost

October 24, 2019

In-depth show notes and links can be found on the Rise Leaders Radio episode page. 

My passion for gardening may strike some as selfish, or merely an act of resignation in the face of overwhelming problems that beset the world. It is neither. I have found that each garden is just what Voltaire proposed in Candide: a microcosm of a just and beautiful society. ”

Andrew Weil

On Earth Day 2018 Lauren Clarke launched Turn Compost, Dallas’ first subscription composting service.  Turn has experienced phenomenal growth, proving that it’s possible to run a profitable company that truly and clearly does good. 

In 18 months, Turn’s subscription service has grown to 17 zip codes in Dallas and 8 drop-off locations in the Dallas-Ft. Worth area.  Revenues are up 648% comparing Q3 2018 to Q32019.  Any start-up would love these numbers! 

Lauren shares some staggering statistics, both alarming and exciting, on the topic of foodwaste and the industry that’s growing around it.  I predict we’ll be seeing more businesses sprouting up to address the plethora of possibilities.

We will also hear Lauren’s advice about start-ups and the benefits of getting more connected to our sources for food. 

Trailer: Launching Rise Leaders Radio; Starting Close In

Trailer: Launching Rise Leaders Radio; Starting Close In

July 11, 2019

Rise Leaders Radio is a podcast about Exemplary Leadership. Season 1 highlights leaders in Oak Cliff, a community just south of Downtown Dallas, TX. The land itself has fostered a sense of independence and built resilience and resourcefulness in its citizens; the business and community leaders amplify this. I interviewed several people that tell different stories of leading in Oak Cliff.

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